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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Hi and welcome to the You world order showcase. Podcast I'm your host. Jill Hart.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I'm joined today by Trish, Jet. Trish is an integrative life coach, who helps those living in stress and anxiety, stop rushing through life with over 2 decades of experience as a registered nurse, she masterfully blends evidence-based science with powerful spiritual practices to create a holistic approach that harmonizes the body and mind.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Trisha's proven methodology empowers her clients to reclaim their confidence, trust, their instincts and take charge of their lives with crystal clear direction. She's also the host of well, she's a co-host of the wellness empowerment project podcast

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: 2 nurses, exploring the art and science of holistic modalities, welcome to the show. Trish.

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Patricia Gent: Well, thanks so much, Jill. It's so nice to be here today.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So tell us about how you got

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: out of nursing and into holistic.

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Patricia Gent: Oh, shit.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: To.

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Patricia Gent: People.

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Patricia Gent: Yeah. Obviously, there's a thread, right? It's both. They're both a thread of service and and trying to promote health and well-being and others so we obviously have that thread there.

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Patricia Gent: You know, just like, I think a lot of us holistic practitioners we've come to being from our own personal journey and our own personal story, and in a lot of ways I can honestly tell you. I don't think I experienced life before this, not living in stress and anxiety

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Patricia Gent: even when I was younger. I just remember reading through books, and I'm a Virgo and the books one of the ways they define. A Virgo is, they say, a Virgo is perfectionistic, and I'm like, Oh.

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Patricia Gent: I'm a perfectionist, and you know my father was very type A, and he was a perfectionist, too, and they would call us the Clones, because we very much acted alike, and we looked at looked alike, and my mom was the typical like warrior mom. Right? Everything. Making sure everything's okay, making sure everything's in order.

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Patricia Gent: And truthfully, I think I was just always, you know, very much. Had this low grade anxiety, and always wanting things to be perfect, always just wanting to control everything, but also very much a high achiever, and wanting to do everything right and wanting to succeed.

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Patricia Gent: And for the most part, I think a lot of us who

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Patricia Gent: who grow up like that, or even like labeled as like perfectionists, is that we are high achievers. We do do well, and we get praise for doing it. So it's not anything that you typically think you want to release, because it's it's gotten you so far, and it's gotten you lots of accolades.

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Patricia Gent: So for the most part, I just, you know, continued through life and thinking that this was actually normal. I, you know, never went on medication for anxiety. It wasn't really anything I ever really even spoke with a

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Patricia Gent: doctor about I think at 1 point I remember as a teenager asking my dad about like my thoughts always racing in my head. And he's like, Yeah, you have that. You just have to find a way to quiet it. And I'm like.

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Patricia Gent: Okay, like.

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Patricia Gent: no, it wasn't the most helpful comment. But it at least confirmed to me it was another confirmation that it wasn't just me, so I kind of feel like I was getting these external a lot of external things coming into my life, confirming that what I was experiencing was normal. And this is the way it is.

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Patricia Gent: And so I continued to go through and obviously became a nurse. Worked in, you know, critical care originally, and then clinical research, and eventually ended up in administration and management.

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Patricia Gent: and of course, got my master's as well, and I say, of course, because as we're going through, we're checking all the boxes, doing all the things we're supposed to do.

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Patricia Gent: and

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Patricia Gent: I guess I had this preconceived notion, or a belief

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Patricia Gent: that at some point I would reach this level, and I would be able to relax that life would be calm, and I wouldn't have to be pushing any further.

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Patricia Gent: And part of me was almost pushing to get things done really, really quickly, like I got my 1st manager job. I think I was like 31 or 32, and it was a pretty difficult large unit. So you can kind of argue. I was relatively young when it comes to age

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Patricia Gent: for that position, but in my head it was like, I have to hurry up and get all these things done, so I can hurry up and then relax. But I was looking at this from this life level and this life perspective.

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Patricia Gent: I actually went from one manager job to another, and in the second one it was actually a very easy transition. And I'm stating this because

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Patricia Gent: I knew who I was reporting to beforehand. I had a relationship with them. I knew people in this institution worked with them before. It was a very easy transition

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Patricia Gent: and overall. I was successful in doing well, but nothing changed, nothing changed.

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Patricia Gent: And I'm like, Okay, I should have you know the confidence I have the competency like. There's no more excuses of new to the role or new this.

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Patricia Gent: But I'm still like constantly exhausted working

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Patricia Gent: probably close to 60 HA week. Left with nothing I would leave on Friday afternoons and be like I have nothing left to give, and I would say that it's like 2, 3 in the afternoon and be like I have nothing left to give. And yet, having this underlying guilt that I didn't stay there until like 6, 7 o'clock at night, and yes, my husband would call me at 7 Pm. Some nights and be like, Are you coming home tonight? And then, like, I'm walking to my car

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Patricia Gent: and the weekends I was. I was dead, you know. I wasn't

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Patricia Gent: enjoying anything, really. I was just essentially trying to recover, and when I look back. My life was pretty small, you know. All of my friends were nurses and in health care. It was the only place I went. It's the only thing we did.

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Patricia Gent: but it was also very much accepted, because everyone else was kind of in the same boat.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: No one else was like having all these other friends that were outside of healthcare and doing all these different things. All of us were.

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Patricia Gent: Kind of living in that same, that same realm.

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Patricia Gent: So around this same time, my husband and I actually started to try to have a child, and you know it just essentially did not work out for us. And I was going through. Obviously our infertility journey at this time.

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Patricia Gent: and I started to do all the things that

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Patricia Gent: that I would say we're told to do so. I considered myself a type, a person. So I was like, yes, so obviously, if I'm so high strung, I need to learn to relax better and obviously with us on our, you know, in our infertility journey. Let's try to remove toxins. Let's try to do life a little differently, and I really dove into

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Patricia Gent: doing a lot of different things are kind of making my own

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Patricia Gent: detergent making my own lotions. And I tried doing like yogas and meditations, and honestly.

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Patricia Gent: it really did not shift anything for me.

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Patricia Gent: I remember at 1 point I was doing the Oprah, Deepak Shokra guided meditations and one of the other. I think nurse educators was doing it with me, and I'm lying down. I'm trying to do it, and I finish it. My husband's like

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Patricia Gent: your mind was racing the whole time because I could see it working. You did not meditate. And of course I'm like, well, I technically did it. So, you know. Check. I checked the box. I did it.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Hold it, that.

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Patricia Gent: Yeah, exactly like I did it check. I did it. And even though, yoga, I was trying to do you know, I was doing it diligently every single day. Right? I'm like I'm doing it every day. It's good for my body. But you know what the last 5 min of it was always this Savasana.

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Patricia Gent: and it was painful for me. I could not sit still. Lying still was horrendous.

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Patricia Gent: I would keep checking my phone to be like how much longer. That's how I know they would do a little yoga knee drop for a minute and a half, because the next 3 and a half minutes were this unbearable silence.

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Patricia Gent: and I would start thinking like, Oh, my God, I'm wasting time. I'm wasting, you know. I could be doing so many more things right now. And so it wasn't just like physically painful for me to lie still. It was mentally very difficult to even lie still.

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Patricia Gent: So eventually, one day I was going through Mindbody Green, and I saw one of their little sections said about increasing your frequency. And I'm like, Oh, well, that's interesting. You know I've done all these things trying to like.

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Patricia Gent: relax myself and calm myself. And you know, maybe what I actually need to do is increase my frequency, so I can keep up with everything.

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Patricia Gent: So I go on it, and I click a link. And it was Guru Chakette talking about Kundalini Yoga and meditation, and she starts and she's talking about how it affects the nervous system and the glandular system.

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Patricia Gent: And when I hear her say this and her talking.

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Patricia Gent: I guess, because I was a nurse. It just really clicked me. I'm like I've never heard somebody ever talk about yoga before. I mean, granted I didn't even know there were different types of yoga at the time, but I never heard someone talk about it as some sort of I mean now it's a healing modality, but at the time something that actually was affecting your nervous and glandular system on a whole different level. So I was absolutely fascinated by it.

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Patricia Gent: So I'm sitting on my bed, and she's like we're going to go into a practice now. And just I just felt this need to keep going. I didn't want to change the space I was in and actually go to my yoga mat. I was like, I'm going to stay. I'm going to do this on my bed, and and I did. I did the practice.

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Patricia Gent: and after it finished I I honestly just felt different

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Patricia Gent: now, looking back, what I felt was a relief

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Patricia Gent: for a moment, but at the time

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Patricia Gent: I just felt different, and I couldn't describe it, because it was something that I never really felt before. But I knew that this is how I wanted to feel

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Patricia Gent: more

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Patricia Gent: and pretty much after that, 3 months later of me dabbling around by myself on the Internet. I decide to sign up for teacher training, never doing an in-person class, even judging myself as I'm signing up like you're not a yoga teacher. You don't have a yoga body, you know. What are you going to do with this? And I'm like.

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Patricia Gent: you know what I just need to know more.

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Patricia Gent: and we can pause there for a moment.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Were so brave to just look at it and say, Hey, I'm going for it. And

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: just because you don't fit in the stereotypical mold doesn't mean that you can't do something, and doesn't mean that it's not going to be really powerful for you. So I

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: hats off to you. That's kind of a big deal.

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Patricia Gent: Oh, thank you. I mean, yeah, I mean, I would argue. It changed the trajectory of my my whole life. But I also would have to say. That was probably one of the 1st times that

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Patricia Gent: I really heard and listened to myself

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Patricia Gent: if I didn't have that strong voice, and if I did not hear that strong voice

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Patricia Gent: I wouldn't have done it, and I can argue. It was me playing around doing Kundalini Yoga for 3 months beforehand, and it got me to the space where I could hear my own voice

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Patricia Gent: and take that crazy action.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It's so easy, I think, for people to just get caught up in their everyday life, and there's

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: they just live with low, level anxiety or even high level anxiety. But it's just so normalized in society that

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: it's like.

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Patricia Gent: You're right.

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Patricia Gent: It is completely normalized. Because I think a lot of us. It's

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Patricia Gent: It's normalized in your workplace.

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Patricia Gent: and it can be normalized in your home environment, and you know not to get too too nerdy here. But

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Patricia Gent: but I am a nerd at heart, and I love this you know, our our nervous system is essentially

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Patricia Gent: how we learn to respond to the environments that we're in. And the nervous system wants to keep us safe.

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Patricia Gent: So when we're younger. And you're, you know, growing up

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Patricia Gent: when you are watching your parents at a young age, react and respond to situations. Your nervous system is now learning how to react and respond to situations.

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Patricia Gent: And I know a lot of people think you have to have this, you know, horrible childhood or big traumatic events. The reality is is that

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Patricia Gent: no, I mean, a lot of us have traumatic events and a lot of us, you know. Have, you know, maybe a horrible childhood, but you could have a seemingly healthy and normal childhood.

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Patricia Gent: But if you grew up with parents who were

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Patricia Gent: dysregulated in one way or another, and they possibly got that from from their parents, or possibly got that from the environments they were living in, or or let's be real. Never really taught on how to deal with and process. You know, stress and anxiety and what that looks like.

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Patricia Gent: You've learned to respond that way. And I know for me. I think that's what happened is that you know this is what my nervous system saw. This is what my nervous system became, and then, you know, you'll get extra confirmation from the outside world that this is the way that it is.

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Patricia Gent: and essentially stays that way until it's it's so painful you you have to make it a shift.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And the shift can happen so quickly.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Bye, I've had. I've had Kundalini experiences where it's just like it's so euphoric.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It's not really long lived. But it's very euphoric. I've I've had experiences having acupuncture done as well. And it it can give you kind of that same experience

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: as having. It's kind of you probably didn't do drugs in your youth, but I did.

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Patricia Gent: Okay, like.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Having a trip sometimes, and you haven't. You know you haven't done anything, but it's that kind of other worldly experience that you can have, and in the beginning it's it's like super short. But you could just like catch a glimpse of it, and you want more.

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Patricia Gent: Yeah, I would say on some level. When I 1st started Kundalini Yoga, it was a little addictive. I needed to do it every single day. It was also my refuge, you know, when everything was going wild, you know, as you're going through the process of whether it's Kundalini Yoga, or any sort of nervous system regulation, I think experience. And you're bringing yourself back into regulation.

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Patricia Gent: It changes your perception of of the world around you. So in another sense, you know, when I started Kundalina Yoga. Yes, the feelings was something of like I wanted to come back and feel, but it was also this like safe refuge.

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Patricia Gent: which is huge because we're not feeling safe in our bodies when we are dysregulated.

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Patricia Gent: And now we're creating that safety in our bodies and almost making it okay for you to come back to yourself.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah, it.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It's a. It's an amazing experience.

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Patricia Gent: And.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So you, you coach people on how to how to have this experience too.

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Patricia Gent: I coach people and help them shift out of living from stress and anxiety.

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Patricia Gent: You know you don't necessarily have to just be doing tons of Kundalini, Yoga, or or tons of, you know. Take tons of classes.

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Patricia Gent: That's how I did it. But I essentially feel like I went through that. So other people don't have to.

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Patricia Gent: It's really also about coaching you through

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Patricia Gent: learning what nervous system state you are in, and identifying what practices work for you and your body. So I like to give this great example of one of the clients that I've been working with is a breathwork practitioner.

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Patricia Gent: obviously, you know, one of the great things with Kundalini Yoga is that you know you can try things that are more of a physical practice. You could do a mantra or a sound practice.

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Patricia Gent: or you can also do a breathwork. Practice all those different types, help work on our vagus nerve and help you start to bring yourself back into regulation.

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Patricia Gent: Well, my client, who did a lot of who was a breathwork practitioner, she was living in a dissociative state. Disassociation is more under the dorsal section. So what we don't always talk about when we label like stress and anxiety, we think of its fight and flight.

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Patricia Gent: and some people pleasing is in there as well. But what we don't always talk about is that when we, when our nervous system poops out a bit, then we fall down into the dorsal state with this immobilization state. So that's where we could have the freeze response, which is a combination of sympathetic and dorsal disassociation and even shutdown.

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Patricia Gent: So I like to think of it as anyone who's been in burnout

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Patricia Gent: burnout is. You're in the dorsal state.

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Patricia Gent: and you've been in the stress and anxiety for way too long, and then you end up in that dorsal state.

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Patricia Gent: So she was in disassociation, which is a dorsal state, and we were going through things that she could start to try to integrate.

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Patricia Gent: And I remember saying to her, I said, the one thing I don't want you to do is a 1 to 2 breath, and that is an extra exhale to the inhale. So you maybe would inhale about 4 seconds. Then you exhale for 8, and I said especially for being in that disassociative state, stick to the one to one equal, inhale, equal exhale, or we could pull in like breath of fire, or something like that.

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Patricia Gent: and she looks at me, and she goes. Oh, my God! And she was like I said what she was like.

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Patricia Gent: Say that one more time. And I said, Well, I was like I told her not to do. And I said, The reason why is that when you're in that

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Patricia Gent: dorsal state, your blood pressure, your heart rate is already low, and what we're trying to do in the dorsal state is actually bring energy back into the body, and that one to 2 breath is great when you're in that sympathetic state, because in that state you're trying to release more energy from the body. I said, so you may want to use that breath.

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Patricia Gent: but not till we get you, at least into sympathetic.

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Patricia Gent: and she looks at me, and she says, you know what. When I was in breathwork training, everyone kept touting that one to 2 breath as great for anxiety and great for stress, and she goes. I would do that, and I felt like it would create more anxiety in my body.

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Patricia Gent: And she she's like. And now I know why.

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Patricia Gent: And I'm like. Not only do you now know why you also now just learned to trust yourself and to trust what your body is telling you.

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Patricia Gent: And I think that's just. I'm mentioning this story because, you see all these things thrown out there that are great for nervous system, you know. Regulation.

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Patricia Gent: The thing is, though, if you don't understand what state your body is in, and you haven't explored different ways that work for you.

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Patricia Gent: and you don't do it into a consistent manner. You're not going to get yourself into regulation.

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Patricia Gent: Our bodies are meant to be flexible. We're meant to kind of go in and out, you know. We're not supposed to live in ventral that connection state. We want to be there for a long period of time. We want the times to go that we shift the pendulum to sympathetic or dorsal to be, you know, less and less and less.

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Patricia Gent: But the thing is, in order to get there, we need that consistency.

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Patricia Gent: So we can build our capacity, build our resilience, bring us back into ventral. And then we start to see

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Patricia Gent: how our body is actually changing and responding when stressful events come, and then you could pull your tools in your toolbox again and start seeing. Okay. Now, what I do in this situation.

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Patricia Gent: and I'm saying this because, you know, living in stress and anxiety and having that. And obviously I ended up in burnout at 1 point as well.

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Patricia Gent: and bringing myself back into ventral.

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Patricia Gent: It was tough, and it does take some time.

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Patricia Gent: but then you have this secondary experience.

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Patricia Gent: which is now you are viewing and living your life through a whole nother lens.

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Patricia Gent: because Dr. Stephen Porges, with polyvagal theory, which is a lot of work that I connect with.

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Patricia Gent: really says that a core piece of this is that we view our world through our autonomic nervous system.

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Patricia Gent: So if we're feeling safe in our body, we're going to be more safe and engaging in the world around us. If we feel like we're in fight or flight mode, and that we need to have our defenses up. We aren't going to feel safe enough, and we're going to try to control that world around us. And when that doesn't work, what do we do? We fall into that dorsal state, and we just withdraw for everything.

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Patricia Gent: So then, it's like I said, we get into this realm where we're now viewing our life differently adjusting to how we interact with our new life.

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Patricia Gent: Then we start questioning things. Of what do we want to do? How do we want to be? Who do we want to be? What do we want? Our life look like things that we never really asked ourselves before, because previously we were following the script that we thought was keeping us safe.

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Patricia Gent: And now we've realized that it didn't.

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Patricia Gent: So not only are we going through asking those questions now, when life comes our way. You're still going to experience anxiety. But now you're going to experience from a whole different way experience, anxiety as its isolated state that you can bring yourself back to was very different than living in it.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: One thing you recognize that. Oh, I'm in the anxiety state and do something about it.

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Patricia Gent: I can even distinctly remember the

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Patricia Gent: one there was like, I would say, 2 times I distinctly remember my body going into anxiety, and it was just a whole different process.

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Patricia Gent: I mean, I had a process that I went through with myself that, of course, before I would, just

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Patricia Gent: before when something happened. I was dependent on what the outcome was.

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Patricia Gent: and it wasn't until that external outcome would be resolved that I was going to be able to go into safety again.

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Patricia Gent: and this time it was different. I saw the external thing. I noted that I was in anxiety. Huge like you said that was the 1st piece.

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Patricia Gent: and then I started telling myself how a lot of these things I was like, well, why am I worried? You know this isn't an issue. This isn't. This isn't an issue. And I crossed those things all off my list. And then I realized that you know what

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Patricia Gent: my body is. Still feeling anxious. So obviously, I cannot tackle this problem from the top down. I really need to tackle it from the bottom up, and then I knew I had to kind of get into my body and do some of my regulation practices, and, you know, help work myself through it.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Just knowing that you can, and recognizing that

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: the States that you're in is so huge a lot of times. People live in anxiety so they don't recognize. There's just a level of anxiety that's everyday. Life is so high that when, like a little bit more happens, it's like, Well, you know the difference is just not that dramatic, and so they don't recognize that there's something wrong. Yes, and

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: once you once you get to the state where you can calm everything down, and you realize that oh, this feels good down here.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: and everything feels good in my body, and recognizing that you know you do have a body more than just a head.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: We are a whole bee.

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Patricia Gent: Yes, exactly, you know. And you know, being in the healthcare system, you know, everything is very siloed, you know. You have to see a specialist, and everyone is very siloed. And the reality is that's not how our body works, you know.

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Patricia Gent: Actually, you know, we're in a very logical society, and we're always talked about how you think your way through every problem, and, you know, go through those thinking states and like I just gave you my example, before thinking through how unrealistic it was for me to even be in anxiety did not work. And one of the big pieces that, you know, isn't stressed enough is that actually, our body communicates faster and quicker and more frequently to our brain than our brain does

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Patricia Gent: to our body.

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Patricia Gent: So if we could just get our ego to the side and get out of our own way from trying something new and trying something different. We actually can make a greater impact with ourselves in a shorter period of time.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And exercises the event. Just like I'm sitting here rocking my feet. All your nerves end in your feet.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And your feet can affect your head. That's why walking is so powerful.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Come on.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: realize that. But it just like there's little things you can do to help and tapping, you know. Tapping is.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I used to think tapping was the silliest thing ever tapping is so effective. You don't even have to say anything. It's just. It helps your body to regulate it.

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Patricia Gent: And let's go even more simplistic. How are you sitting? And how are you standing as in what's your posture like? And I actually want to give another example from a client that I was working with, and it's not the breath work client, but she also was living in disassociation, and she's moved herself out. She moved herself out of it very nicely, and we're working together, and she's like, you know what like. I feel like I do my practices in the morning, but they're not like

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Patricia Gent: and I'm like, well, you know, you have a desk job like, How are you sitting? And as it turned out, she had one of those big chairs that she could sit cross-legged in, and she was completely hunched over most of the day. And I'm like, you know what, when we're sitting hunched over like that your body is now communicating, that you don't feel safe.

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Patricia Gent: and that you need to disappear and huddle down.

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Patricia Gent: And so I'm like, what can we do to start changing your posture, you know. Feet flat on the ground, you know. Have those needs below those hips.

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Patricia Gent: Sit upright for at least as long as you can, and I get it. We all hunch over every so often. But can we take a break and like, reset and realign our posture and see how that is changing you first.st

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Patricia Gent: So those are things that I think are just so simple that we don't realize how we're sitting and how we're moving through the day is actually affecting our body and affecting what our body is feeling and thinking. You know, if you've already worked hard, and and, you know, gotten yourself back into regulation, but you feel like you're falling out of it a lot.

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Patricia Gent: That's a great thing to look at, you know, is, what is your posture. How are you sitting? How are you standing? What is your body telling the rest of you? What are you telling yourself.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And are you getting up and moving around frequently.

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Patricia Gent: Yeah. And that you know one of the great things I think I loved about Kundalini. Yoga, too, is that it's known as a householder's Yoga. So it was created for people to be able to utilize through their everyday life.

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Patricia Gent: But I think because we you know, Americanized all these things, and you have this thought that you have to go and do a full class or do a full. You know, Korea.

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Patricia Gent: a lot of the postures and the things that you do, you can, you know, take one to 3 min, you know some of them. You don't even need to get out of bed, for you could just, you know, get up and just start doing some of those little practices. You don't have to be super flexible, you know we don't. You? Don't, you know? Don't worry about getting a full blown yoga mat, if you don't even have a yoga mat yet, or feel like you have to get up and space out all this time, you know, in the morning

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Patricia Gent: you can do it as simply as sitting up and do a little breath work. Do some spinal flexes, you know Sufi grinds and move those hips. Those are things you could do to start your day, and those are things you can do throughout your day, just to kind of shift things up a little bit.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah. A lot of it, too, is like habits that we have throughout our day and different environments. Like when you're at work, you have habits, and when you're at home you have habits, and if you work at home, you have an office where you have different habits, and and recognizing that what you're doing, how your body is existing in those spaces just being intentional about it, I think, is.

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Patricia Gent: Huge. And I think you just really describe what Kundalini Yoga is. You know it's known as the Yoga of Awakening, bringing the unconscious into consciousness. And obviously, if I've explained, it's doing that by regulating our nervous system. But one of the big pillars in Kundalini Yoga, too, is that

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Patricia Gent: it takes 40 days to change a habit. And when we talk about habits, right? Habit is something that you are unconsciously doing on a routine basis. So they're saying, if you do this meditation or this Kriya for 40 days, that you're going to change your you know it starts to break the habit. Change the habit, then 90 days to get into the subconscious 120 days you start to master it a thousand days. It's fully part of your your being.

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Patricia Gent: But I think what is interesting is that there is

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Patricia Gent: And so I find it very interesting that some of the research today supports the 40 day cycle that Kundalini Yoga.

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Patricia Gent: you know, always has had for all these tens of thousands of years.

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Patricia Gent: and it starts to. How is this? It helps you start to bring an awareness to not only changing your own habits, but then you start recognizing the other habits that you have in your life.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Once you overcome something in your life that's dysregulates your life

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: that makes you feel uncomfortable in your life. But you're doing it anyway, like bad posture, gives you a bad back.

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Patricia Gent: Yeah.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: But you, you continue to do it, and it's like, because it's just a habit.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: But if you're if you approach things intentionally and recognize that, hey? I can fix this by just being intentional and trying to catch myself. It. It's really a matter of catching yourself, as

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: habits are are being unfolded like.

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Patricia Gent: Yes.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: If you're hunching over your desk as soon as you realize, hey? I'm hunching over my desk.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: when you are successful and you will be. It's just paying attention along the way. It will become a habit to not be it in the.

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Patricia Gent: Yeah.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: The position that is not serving you. Well.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Then you can look at other things and say, Hey, well, maybe it works so well over there. I can try a little adjustment in this area of my life, or.

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Patricia Gent: Yeah. One little piece, one little piece of awareness

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It. It

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: just little little incremental changes that like atomic atomic habits, I think, is the name of one of those books out there that it's just little little incremental things that you can do. But over a long period of time have a huge impact on how you experience this life.

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Patricia Gent: Agreed.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So how do people get in touch with you? And we also want to talk about the pathway perfectionist guide

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: who trade in anxiety and control for freedom and clarity and confidence.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It's actually confidence and clarity back to so much trouble to get that all right. That messed it up.

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Patricia Gent: I actually think I I connected something wrong. Actually, when I when I clicked it. So it's okay. Yeah. So a great way to contact me is that I'm on Instagram. You can find me. I'm at

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Patricia Gent: Coach COAC. H. Underscore trish gent, TRIS. HGEN. Ti am also providing a free gift to your listeners, called Kundalini to calm anxiety. It is literally some of the very basic Kundalini practices that I did when I 1st started integrating this in my life, I coach you through the 1st 5 days through your inbox, and trust me, this is something that will take you.

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Patricia Gent: basically about 11 min a day, if you choose to engage in it, and you can do it from your bed. And it's a great way to kind of start shifting your body 1st thing in the morning.

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Patricia Gent: But yes, I also have coming up. It's called. It's a pocket product called the Pathway Perfectionist Guide to Trading anxiety and control for freedom and creativity.

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Patricia Gent: And in this, in this pocket product it's a full blown Digital download so as soon as you purchase it, it is all in your hands which is absolutely wonderful. But I am kind of guiding the perfectionist through the pathway to start releasing their anxiety. So we can actually create this freedom in their life.

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Patricia Gent: I walk you through 5 days of training courses through here. I provide you with an anxiety archetype quiz. So if you're not sure, really where you are, you have a quiz to help guide you through that process. I have the nervous reset guidebook. That also is coming along with this, which also not only talks about the different

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Patricia Gent: nervous system practices, but we're also going through the different archetypes as well that you can go fall into, and I'm also including spotify playlist for whatever state that you're in, so you can go and listen to if you're on the go. So I'm really excited for this. It is be such a high value.

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Patricia Gent: And it's really a great place for everyone to start.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: That is so exciting that it's coming up. I also wanted to talk a little bit about your podcast so how can people find that.

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Patricia Gent: Oh, yeah. So the wellness empowerment project. So we are on spotify and apple, and we are making our way to get on some bigger platforms.

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Patricia Gent: This is me and my co-host, Julie, and we actually were managers together. So it is 2 nurses talking about the art and science of holistic modalities to help empower you to be the leader in your health and wellness journey. So yeah, there's a lot of us with our own conversations. But we interview lots of guests who do lots of different modalities out there. When we started our podcast we said, we're basically, you know talking about all the weird shit.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I love it.

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Patricia Gent: Thank you.

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Patricia Gent: Yeah.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So this has been a great conversation. Trish, what's the one thing you hope the audience takes away from our conversation.

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Patricia Gent: Oh, thank you so much, Jill. This has been so fun talking with you.

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Patricia Gent: The one thing I hope, that your audience takes from this conversation.

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Patricia Gent: Hmm, is to. Truly you have more power than you think.

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Patricia Gent: You have more power than you think.

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Patricia Gent: and if you learn how to engage with your body, you will be able

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Patricia Gent: to reframe how you engage in your whole entire life.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I love that it's so true. Thanks for joining me today.

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Patricia Gent: Thanks. Jill.