When the Old Ways Stop Working: How Akashic Reiki Sparks Your Next Evolution
So many healers are exhausted — not because they’re doing something wrong, but because the old model of “fixing” ourselves has reached its limit. In this powerful conversation, Melissa Amos unpacks the deeper truth behind healer burnout and reveals why the real path forward is evolution, not repair.
Melissa is the creator of Akashic Reiki™, a groundbreaking modality that weaves the Akashic Records, psychology, energy work, and soul-level understanding into a new way of approaching healing. Her grounded, poetic wisdom will shift the way you think about growth, trauma, identity, and what it really means to become who you were always meant to be.
Inside this episode, you’ll explore:
✨ Why so many modern healers feel tapped out and under-resourced
✨ How the “I’m broken” paradigm creates burnout on both sides of the healing relationship
✨ What the Akashic Records teach about acceptance, identity, and soul evolution
✨ How nervous system regulation, intuition, and spiritual psychology actually work together
✨ Why the storm is part of the journey — and how to meet it with curiosity instead of fear
✨How Akashic Reiki™ dissolves the layers covering your true self
✨ The powerful moment every healer reaches… and what you’re being called into next
Whether you’re a mystic, healer, coach, or spiritual seeker, this conversation will help you release the pressure to “fix” everything and step into the deeper, more expansive work of becoming.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: There's a moment every healer reaches. You can feel something inside of you shifting, but the old ways just don't seem to work anymore. The tools you mastered stop producing the same results.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And your body keeps whispering that evolution is calling. Today's guest has a very different take on why this is happening, and she believes this shift is the key to the future of healing.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: We'll get to that in just a bit. Hi, and welcome to the You World Order Showcase Podcast, where we feature life health transformational coaches and spiritual entrepreneurs stepping up to be the change they seek in the world.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I'm your host, Jill Hart, the Coaches Alchemist, on a mission to empower coaches and entrepreneurs to amplify their voice, monetize their mission, and get visible. If you're ready to start attracting premium clients without chasing algorithms or hunting people down like a banshee on a mission, head over to Coachsalchemist.com and schedule your free client acquisition audit. It's the first step in building a business where your clients seek you out, rather than you having to chase them
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Today, we are chatting with Melissa Amos. Melissa is the creator of Akashic Reiki, a next-generation healing modality weaving the Akashic records, psychology, and energy work into a unified path of conscious evolution.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: She's a spiritual psychotherapist, author of Memoirs of a Mystic in Training, and founder of Soul School. What…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Welcome to the show, Melissa. It's great to have you with us.
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::Melissa Amos: Thank you for having me.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Okay, before we jump right in, because I got lots of questions for you. What's the most significant thing, in your opinion, as individuals, we can do to make an impact on how the world is going?
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::Melissa Amos: I think that we need to take responsibility for who we are and for how we show up in the world.
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::Melissa Amos: we… the only way that we can make change is by, as you so eloquently said at the beginning, being the change that we want to see in the world. And for me, that's radical self-ownership. That really is understanding, first of all, that our energy body is the most important commodity that we have.
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::Melissa Amos: And whilst not everything is our fault, it's our responsibility to, understand how we're moving things forward, and how we're taking care of that.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah, and that it can just be an experience, and we don't have to, like.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: fault doesn't have to be in the equation, it's just a result that happened. What are we going to learn for it? How are we going to move forward from it? And how is this experience that we're having right in the moment impacted by it?
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And how can we make it… like, how can the story that we develop around it make the most…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Sense for us and make us feel the best, at least to me.
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::Melissa Amos: Exactly that. Like, for me, you know, life happens, and I'm not sure I believe in coincidence. I think that everything that does happen is an invitation for us to know ourselves better, and to grow, and to…
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::Melissa Amos: discover more about who we are. And I think the moment we take responsibility from that, and come out of victim mode, and come out of, you know, trying to let everybody else save us, is the moment that we start to turn around how we show up, what happens to us, and how we experience life.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I love that. I've, in my own personal life, gone from… I'm trying to get help out of my vocabulary, because I don't help people. That puts them in a victim mode, like, they need me for something. I empower people, so
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: in conversations and in my writing, I'm making the intention of moving forward using the word empower in place of the word help.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I can empower people to do amazing things!
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I don't really want to help people do stuff.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Right. You know?
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So, you are a spiritual psychotherapist. What does that actually mean?
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::Melissa Amos: well.
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::Melissa Amos: at my core, I'm… well, at my core, I'm an energy healer, and that was where my journey started within the spiritual realm, and that's what opened me up to everything. And as I was doing, you know, things like Reiki, and working with the law of attraction, and doing psychic work, so that was, you know, my introduction, I suppose, into this space.
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::Melissa Amos: I started to realize that it goes beyond this surface level, it goes beyond psychic insight, and it goes beyond just
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::Melissa Amos: Channeling energy. And that as we're doing that, our stories come up, and our beliefs come up, and our traumas come up, and, like, all of this stuff.
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::Melissa Amos: And so, I've always had an interest in…
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::Melissa Amos: the mind-body connection. My grandma was a hypnotherapist, so I grew up with understanding that our mind isn't our boss, and that we have more power over it, or within it, than we are led to believe. And so, I embarked upon my psychotherapy
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::Melissa Amos: studies a few years ago now, and of course, I picked spiritual psychotherapy, which means that rather than just going down the traditional, you know, talk therapy route and, like, CBT and all of this.
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::Melissa Amos: We're really looking at you in a holistic way, so we're understanding from this space of non-duality, we're understanding from the space of our soul and our plan and who we are as a human, and that the things that we go through aren't…
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::Melissa Amos: usually here to hinder us. They're part of our growth.
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::Melissa Amos: And for me, it's about working with you as a whole, so that we can evolve, and we can become, and we can strengthen, and we can grow, rather than what I see in traditional psychotherapy, which tends to focus on going back.
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::Melissa Amos: Going back to who I was, coming back to regulation, going back to, you know, the thing that happened before.
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::Melissa Amos: So for me, it's about evolution, growth, becoming.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I like that, becoming, because, you know, we really…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I don't know if there's time travel or not. I've been watching some things where it's like, okay, maybe. It had to do with, like, the Loch Ness Monster.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: But…
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::Melissa Amos: I was at Loch Ness in the summer, yeah.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Oh, very fun! Did you see her?
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::Melissa Amos: Great. Well… no.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I didn't, but it was very pretty.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: from the pictures I've seen, it looks like…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: spectacular over there. The… the long and the short of it is, from this thing that I was watching, is that they… they're…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: they're coming up with a theory that because of the way the channels are, and there's someplace in… I want to say the Great Lakes, I could be wrong.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: where it…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: there's another creature like Nessie that's shown up, and they both have these really tight channels that have quartz crystals in them, and they're thinking that maybe these creatures are coming in.
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::Melissa Amos: to this time frame from another time frame. That's my theory!
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Really?
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::Melissa Amos: Literally my theory! I'm like, I'm sure there's a ti- well, I have to admit, if you know the show Outlander, or the books Outlander, I kind of got it from there. But that's… that's what I think, that the Loch Ness travels through time, and it's… maybe it's a dinosaur.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah, that's… that's… that's the whole point of this. Outlander's where they… they… they… they go through this time thing…
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::Melissa Amos: the stones.
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::Melissa Amos: I love Outlander, just so you know. Anyone who knows me that's listening to this will be like, Melissa, well done, you got Outlander in the show.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Totally about those kinds of shows. They're so fascinating to me, it's like… Could happen. Who's to say?
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: like, the Atlantis Gate is another one that's just like…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Hmm, maybe that's how it really works.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Many healers are feeling trapped out and tapped out and under-resourced right now. From your perspective, what's really happening beneath that burnout?
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::Melissa Amos: Oh, well, for me, it comes down to the fundamentals, to the basic, to the starting point, and we hear a lot about
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::Melissa Amos: That we're broken, that we're not good enough, that we're not enough, that we need to come into wholeness, that we have this original sin, that we are, you know.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: That's enough.
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::Melissa Amos: we're not enough, right? And I see many people coming into this spiritual space and into the healing space with this sense of, I'm broken and I need fixing.
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::Melissa Amos: And as healers, we can either perpetuate that, and, you know, this, for me, is no…
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::Melissa Amos: judgment on where we are in the healing industry. This is just something that I've witnessed, that we're coming into it from this space of we're broken and we need fixing.
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::Melissa Amos: And that's going to lead to burnout, because if we ask the question, our psychology is very interesting, our brain will always go to answer the question that we give it. And if we're asking questions like, what's wrong with me, then our dutiful brain is going to keep on showing us, well, this is all the thing that's wrong with you.
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::Melissa Amos: So, from a client point of view, we get stuck in this trap. From a healer or a,
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::Melissa Amos: even a coach, a mentor's point of view, we can get stuck in that trap of shadow work, of always looking for what the problem is, of always trying to right the wrong, of always trying to find the light in the dark.
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::Melissa Amos: And it's… it's a spiral that we keep on… keep on going down. It's like that it never ends.
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::Melissa Amos: Now, I… I preface that with saying that I don't think that the healing journey ever ends, but for me, it's about re…
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::Melissa Amos: Understanding what it means to heal.
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::Melissa Amos: And for me, healing is about evolution.
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::Melissa Amos: healing is about growth. Healing is about really becoming more of who you are, becoming a… your higher version of you, not because you're in a lower version of you, you're just in a less developed version of you. You've just… just like the acorn is a less developed
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::Melissa Amos: form of the oak tree. You don't look at an acorn and go, oh, it's broken, I need to fix it. What do I do to make it an oak tree? We need to do things with it, and we…
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::Melissa Amos: code its past lives, and send it love, and do all of these things. It's like, no, you don't. You just need to put it in the right environment, you just need to make sure it's got enough space, you need to give it some nurturing, we need to do these things, and then it will grow into the oak tree that it was always meant to be.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And put it around the oak trees.
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::Melissa Amos: Right, and the acorn, it doesn't matter how much you fiddle with it, it's never going to become a pine tree, is it? It's always going to be…
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::Melissa Amos: An oak tree.
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::Melissa Amos: And so, for me, the issue is, is we're trying to fix something that's not broken, and…
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::Melissa Amos: it's gonna burn you out, it's gonna leave you feeling jaded. It's gonna leave you asking, like, well, what next? Like, what do I do with this? Because there's not a… there's not a closure with it.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: That's kind of on both sides, it sounds like, you know, from the coaching perspective as well as the client perspective.
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::Melissa Amos: True.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: You're both burning out, because one is getting a constant, reinforcement of negative things in their life, because the coach is over here helping them stretch it out, and so there's not a way to, like.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: To move forward beyond it, we… we have all these tools where people…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: They want to look and examine, and they really want to remake their past.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And personally, I think it's just as simple as telling yourself a different story about what those things meant to you.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I don't care if you're lying to yourself, because honestly, you don't remember what happened to you when you were 3.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Or 6, and you don't remember the context of how that situation happened anyway?
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I mean, because this usually involves a parent, or a teacher, or somebody else who was struggling with something themselves that you, at that point, did not understand. So you made up this story about what that event
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: meant.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yes, there are some really horrible things that happen to people where you really are a victim of the situation, and I'm not trying to minimize those situations, but even in those situations, in order to move past it.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It's often better to just tell yourself a better lie about what it all meant.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: than to just, you know, stay stuck in that… that ugliness of the situation that happened to you. There's nothing you can do to change it.
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::Melissa Amos: there isn't, but… and it's very interesting when we look at this from an Akashic Records point of view, which is your soul's library, and which holds everything, and we look at it from a psycho… a psychological or psychotherapeutic point of view, because something happens, and when we're a child, and we don't really understand it.
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::Melissa Amos: And for whatever it is, like you said, we make up a story about it. You can call it a lie, you can call it a story, you can call it a truth. Like, whatever we make up, we make up.
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::Melissa Amos: And from a space of disempowerment, because that's usually where trauma lies, there's some dis… I did not feel empowered in this moment, and so I hold it in the body, because I don't know what to do with it in that moment.
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::Melissa Amos: from there, it starts to perpetuate. So we remember it, or we take action based on what we thought was right at the time, and we develop coping strategies, and coping mechanisms, and…
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::Melissa Amos: And we survive through it. And then that creates this perpetual story that we keep on through our life.
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::Melissa Amos: Now, all the while that we're blaming that thing, remember what I said, our brain is always going to dutifully deliver to us what we ask it. It's the same with our Akashic Records. If we're going in and we're looking for that incident, we're looking for that memory, it's going to provide us with what we've recorded in there.
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::Melissa Amos: With what our truth was at the time.
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::Melissa Amos: Which is fine, until it's not, because we don't really want to be surviving, we don't really want to be perpetuating, because every time we go back to it and go, well, you know, I was a victim, and they needed to do this, and I can't move on until ABC,
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::Melissa Amos: It's like we're recoding that story into the now, and so it becomes our current truth.
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::Melissa Amos: what I found, and through my work, especially with Akashic Reiki, is actually the healing doesn't necessarily come with rewriting the story, it doesn't necessarily come with, you know, overlaying it with something else, but it can come back into, well, this happened.
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::Melissa Amos: And it happens.
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::Melissa Amos: And the moment that I can bring acceptance, I'm not… it's not even forgiveness, it's not even like, oh, well, I'm grateful for that it happened to me, but the moment we can bring it into this moment of, you know what, this happened, and it's happened, and I'm gonna wrap it with love.
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::Melissa Amos: And let's see what happens. That from an Akashic Records point of view, that record which was
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::Melissa Amos: held and loud and spiky and heavy and took up a lot of space can now go, okay, I don't need to guide her anymore because she's come into the acceptance of it. And so now it gets filed away in my spiritual library. So if I want to come back and look at it, I can from a space of neutrality.
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::Melissa Amos: Right? Rather than, well, it's here, and I'm going to keep on poking at you for your attention, because this is important, because you… you keep coming back to it.
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::Melissa Amos: Yeah?
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah, you keep thinking about it, picking at it.
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::Melissa Amos: Right, picking at it.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Trying to make it different than it is, until we get to that point where it's just like.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah, it was. It happened.
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::Melissa Amos: What happens?
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Move on!
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::Melissa Amos: And right now, I'm choosing… I'm not resisting it, because all of, you know, what we resist persists. It's… it's… there's a truth in that. It's both psychologically and energetically.
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::Melissa Amos: The moment we come into acceptance of it, we're bringing our power back, we're not trying to force against it. We're standing in there and go, this happened, and what now?
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::Melissa Amos: This happened, and how can I grow from this? This happened, and what… if… if there was a lesson, and I'm not suggesting everything happens for a reason or anything like that, but if there was a lesson, what would it be?
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::Melissa Amos: If there was a growth opportunity, what would it be?
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::Melissa Amos: And what do I need to do, or say, or believe, or discover to actualize this into my now reality, so that I can continue to move on, so I don't have to keep coming back.
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::Melissa Amos: And then it just becomes a story that I used to… that I used to tell, and now I'm creating my new story from that space of…
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::Melissa Amos: Truth, from that space of alignment, from that space of acceptance.
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::Melissa Amos: It changes everything.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: You find that once you're… you're able to put The stuff from the past.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: enter the records and tuck them away. You can enjoy the present.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: More.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Because you can be more present.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: In the moment, and have the experience without having to have it run through all these filters of things that it has to mean, because that meant that.
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::Melissa Amos: Yep.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: You can just… you can enjoy how things are.
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::Melissa Amos: Right.
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::Melissa Amos: You know, again, like, our records, our psychology, our neurology, our physiology, they're not separate. You know, something happens, and it reminds us of this trauma, or of this experience, or, you know, the bad thing, the thing I don't like, and physiologically, we're back in there.
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::Melissa Amos: And that's not nice, like, no one wants that, like, because then you're always in fight-flight, you're always in this space of, like.
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::Melissa Amos: And that's not conducive to thriving. That's not conducive to being the change that we want to see in the world. We're not ascending from that space. And so, this is where things like nervous system regulation really comes in. This is where things like compassion and being really honest with ourselves really comes in.
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::Melissa Amos: Because then we can… we can have that trigger.
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::Melissa Amos: That happens, and then not instantly find ourselves back in that space, and then act from whatever was frozen in time.
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::Melissa Amos: from when I was 4, and I didn't know what I was doing.
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::Melissa Amos: Right? I'm coming back and I'm going, oh yeah, this happened, I didn't like that, I was disempowered. Now I am, and in my power, how do I respond?
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::Melissa Amos: Now I'm in my power, how do I act?
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::Melissa Amos: what did I learn from this to grow from this? So now I can take whatever the stimulus is, like, whatever it is that's happening to me, and go.
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::Melissa Amos: Okay.
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::Melissa Amos: What's my evolution path here? What's my highest path? Highest next step?
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::Melissa Amos: This is a very different place to be. And I… I want to make this clear, this isn't about bypassing it. This is, oh, no, it didn't happen, and it's fine. This really, the core is, and this is really what I've established Akashic Reiki on, in coming back and… and coming into this state of, first of all, acceptance.
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::Melissa Amos: That's the… that's the key.
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::Melissa Amos: And if we can, Love.
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::Melissa Amos: Maybe not love for what happened.
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::Melissa Amos: But at least love for myself.
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::Melissa Amos: With what happened.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Huh.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Maybe even, like, It happened… And I still love myself.
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::Melissa Amos: Exactly that.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So that you're not, like… People sometimes get wrapped up in their trauma. Their trauma becomes their identity.
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::Melissa Amos: Yep.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And it's hard for them to move from…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: that state. I think that… that might be why people get into addictive behaviors, because they get stuck in this state of being, and they really don't know how to shift out of it.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And normal… therapies The traditional therapies that have been developed since, like, the 20s, don't really address
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: healing. They just kind of Agitate the problem.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: To a point where people just get tired of it.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Or they… or they get addicted to stuff, and they just try to, like, block it out.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: try to have a different experience. So, how do you actually help people in terms of moving into a state where they can find acceptance of the thing that's triggering them, and then
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Love themselves at the same time, and accept themselves, and… and…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Evolve into the being that they're here to be.
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::Melissa Amos: Yeah. So this is what Akashic Reiki's based on, and how the concept of it is, and you nailed it when you said it becomes an identity.
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::Melissa Amos: Right? So this is how I see it.
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::Melissa Amos: we have… let me get my crystals out now… we have a core aspect of us, and this is our true self, like, our big S self, our divine self, right? Our soul.
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::Melissa Amos: And this… and when we can get into this really nice, clear state, we get guided, we get… we evolve, we follow our path, we fulfill our mission, we… you know, all the beautiful things that we're all trying to do.
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::Melissa Amos: But then what happens as we experience life, and karma, and all the things, is we start to get what I call overlays that sit on top of it. And you can imagine them, I've only got cards here, but you can imagine them as, like, different colored
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::Melissa Amos: film, right? And so what happens is this light, this is never not there, this is always there, but the heavier all of this goes, the more I'm repeating the stories, the more I'm aligning with the thing that happens, the more I'm claiming that as my identity, this soul part of us almost becomes dull.
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::Melissa Amos: It's not dull, but the perception of it, or the connection with it, is underneath all of these different colors or overlays. And we start to see the world through the overlay of red, or green, or blue, or pink.
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::Melissa Amos: But that's not who we are.
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::Melissa Amos: That's just… The way that we're seeing the world right now.
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::Melissa Amos: And so my work is really about them coming into understanding that the overlays are invitations. They're all invitations to understanding myself better. This is who I am. This is what happened to me. This is how I responded. This is the story that I created about myself. This is what I really desire. Like, all the stuff, what it means to be human, we get to know those.
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::Melissa Amos: But they're not our identity. They're just… refractions, they're just…
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::Melissa Amos: ways of being. They're just masks we put on, or roles that we play, more so.
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::Melissa Amos: All the while, as we're doing this, and we're integrating them, this is not me, this is something that happened, but this is not me.
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::Melissa Amos: That we begin to develop a stronger relationship with the soul.
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::Melissa Amos: And that becomes… that strengthens, that brightens, that becomes a clearer channel, and then we start taking our guidance. Then our intuition gets louder.
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::Melissa Amos: Then our path gets clearer, then our compassion goes up, then our love goes up, then all of these things happen almost naturally.
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::Melissa Amos: Because I'm no longer resisting, because every time I resist it, I'm putting another layer on top, because I'm trying to fight against what is. It's not about fighting against anything, it's about coming back into self, coming back into truth, coming back into knowing that I am a soul, and that I have a divine mission, and I wonder what that is.
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::Melissa Amos: The more we live it, the closer that we… we are, if you like.
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::Melissa Amos: For linear terms, the closer we are to the soul.
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::Melissa Amos: That's how we live a life inspired.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yes. And you help people accomplish this.
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::Melissa Amos: In your soul school?
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::Melissa Amos: So, my soul school's my Akashic Records training.
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::Melissa Amos: Where I help…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Coaches or for people?
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::Melissa Amos: Soul School is for coaches and healers.
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::Melissa Amos: And it gives you the, the skills to read the Akashic Records, to read those stories, to read those overlays, to understand where they came from, and then to work with the, the protocols and the ceremonies and the rituals that we can then
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::Melissa Amos: amend them, or integrate them, or heal them, or… or file them away, if you like, in the records, or empower them, if that's the case that it needs to be. So Soul School really is the… is the… more of the psychotherapeutic
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::Melissa Amos: way of working with the Akashic Records. And Akashic Reiki, which is my new modality, attunes you into this.
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::Melissa Amos: So that we work with a flame, so that you do this for yourself. So Level 1 is all about that. Level 1 is all about, well, who am I, from the view of the Akashic Records.
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::Melissa Amos: So I begin to walk the Akashic way, I begin to understand myself as this soul, and that I have these overlays, and which one's guiding me.
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::Melissa Amos: where am I sourcing my inspiration from? What stories are perpetuating in there? And we've got tools and techniques and really cool things that we do to help lift them or dissolve them or integrate them.
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::Melissa Amos: For me, that's the way, because we can do it ourselves. And then Level 2 is about helping
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::Melissa Amos: Not helping, empowering the practitioners to… to do this for other people, to hold that space without interference, right? Without going, you're broken and you need fixing. Really on this philosophy of…
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::Melissa Amos: You're a soul with a divine mission, and we're evolving. You're becoming. We're always becoming. It is never-ending, but how exciting is that?
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::Melissa Amos: It doesn't matter if I'm 20, 50, or 150. There's always more, there's always somewhere to go, but we're meeting it not with, oh, it's curiosity and excitement and…
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::Melissa Amos: what is it? It's my desires, it's my… my callings, it's the thing that's pulling me… pulling towards, it's the things that fire me up.
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::Melissa Amos: And I really get to know them, and then I begin to live this life of purpose, of mission, of meaning.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Oh, I… in my mind, I'm… I'm just envisioning that oak tree as it's reaching its arms out to the sky, and in the sunlight, and…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It goes through its seasons, because oaks lose their leaves in the fall, and they have a process of rebirth and change, and…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: growth happens in spurms, and then there's bounty that happens in the summer, and then the leaves fall again. It's just like…
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::Melissa Amos: I love trees. I do, I do too. And, you know, each one has its purpose, each one has its memory, and it's… it's the same, it's the same for us. And I think when… like, we'll never look at a tree and go, oh, oh, that's broken.
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::Melissa Amos: We'll look at it for the beauty… well, you know, sometimes it's even, you know, when it's hit by lightning.
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::Melissa Amos: there's purpose and there's meaning. Maybe that tree was always meant to be the sideboard in your granddad's house that has all the memories and that holds the things. Like, we don't know, and it's not up to us to go, well, all trees must reach their full potential. Like, if every acorn became a massive oak tree, we'd have no room.
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::Melissa Amos: Because there'd just be oak… there'd just be oaks everywhere, and there'd be no room for anything else.
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::Melissa Amos: Some of those acorns are meant to be food for the squirrels.
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::Melissa Amos: the ones my kids play with. Like, we don't know what they're all there for, but we can honor everything as it is.
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::Melissa Amos: And come into that playfulness, that curiosity, that… growth.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I've been in my… Quest for evolution.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: my… I… I'm not… I'm not helping people anymore, I'm empowering them. I'm also having experiences.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And I can just have an experience without having to label it.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Or have a thought about it. I can just…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It can just be the experience.
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::Melissa Amos: Right.
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::Melissa Amos: And it can…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It can be the result of some other experience I've had.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: if I'm not having the experience that I was anticipating.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Without judging it as, this is bad, or this is good, it can just be the experience that I'm having. It's okay.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: A life full of amazing, incredible things, because if you have a life full of amazing, incredible things, you have to have had the other half, because nothing is all good or all bad. The yin and the yang is a circle, it's complete.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It's not just all one thing or the other. And the more that we can just accept the experience of being in both, the duality of both.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I think that… The richer our lives become, and the less…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: quarrelsome we are as human beings with each other, because the judgment part Kind of goes away.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: We don't… we don't really have to judge things. No. They can just be.
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::Melissa Amos: And judgment is trained into all of us, and we all… we all do it, and then we realize actually what's really happening. Again, from a psychological point of view, they don't know that we're judging somebody else, like, our brain just thinks, oh, okay, we're talking about self, it takes everything personally.
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::Melissa Amos: Right? But again, we begin to look at this, exactly what you've described from this Akashic Records point of view. Something happened. In the records, there's no judgment. There's no then going, this was good, this was bad, it's not, you know, like, Santa's…
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::Melissa Amos: Santa's buckets of, I was… did a good thing or I did a bad thing, right? It's just this happened. It happens, and it happens.
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::Melissa Amos: And then there's the feeling that we had about it, and then there's the story we tell ourselves that we had about it, and then there's the action that we take that we had about it, and then there's the, well, now I feel guilty, or now I feel frustrated, or now I'm ashamed, or now I'm angry. And that one record of just what happened.
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::Melissa Amos: is now a whole ream of books about saying about how terrible my life is, or how terrible the world is, or how, you know, there's no hope for me, and now suddenly that's taking up your library.
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::Melissa Amos: When actually, as you beautifully said, it just, it happened. And the moment I come into acceptance of it, well, now I've created space in the library. Now I've not created more overlays that sit above my divinity, that sit above my truth.
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::Melissa Amos: And so now I'm… I'm… energetically, I'm more free.
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::Melissa Amos: now I'm more coherent in my space, and now I'm closer to the, and I say in inverted…
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::Melissa Amos: it's what we do. That's how our brain works, it's what we've been taught.
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::Melissa Amos: And when we notice that, then we come into acceptance of the judgment. I look at it like what I just did. I wonder what's going on in there.
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::Melissa Amos: I'm obsessed with, like, the mind-body connection, and the fascinating humans, the messy…
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::Melissa Amos: bananas, humans that we are, you know? And what motivates us and what fuels us. But you said it, we come into acceptance, it just is.
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::Melissa Amos: It is. Not it's good, it's bad, it just is. That's how we start living from this Akashic point of view.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: it's… it sounds to me like the Akashic Records empowers your soul.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Because, in our mind, everything is. Everything exists.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It's the energy that is… is around us, and in us, and through us. It's not…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I remember when I was young, I was…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: maybe in my late teens, I was… I was…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I distinctly remember driving in my car in Hawaii, wondering where… where does the soul live in our bodies?
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It was just, like… Sometimes we have threads of thoughts that stay with us for our whole lives.
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::Melissa Amos: I think we'd have got on.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: But… and I… at the time, I…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: We didn't have internet, we didn't have connection with people that would have these kinds of conversations with me.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So, I just kind of held on to it, but I still… I feel like our soul doesn't live in, like, one spot, but it lives in all of the spots, whereas our brain is in our head… our mind is in our brain, and it's doing things to keep us going.
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::Melissa Amos: if you start asking, well, these are the questions I ask mine, like, where did that… where did it even come from? And in some way or another, it's coming from the Akashic field, because the Akashic field contains everything. It's… there's my records, there's yours, and there's everything in between. And we know about the collective consciousness, we know about psychic energies, and all of these things that are around, and whatever frequency I'm on, that's where my thought's going to be coming in.
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::Melissa Amos: And then our brain is full of these overlays, these programmings, these conditionings that tell us that we're not enough, that this is what it means to survive, that we need to be… we need to belong, that we can't put our head above the parapeete. And then we've got all of the other things, especially in this work, around things like the witch wound, and we were persecuted 100 years ago for having a conversation like this.
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::Melissa Amos: So it wasn't safe. So we've got all of that.
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::Melissa Amos: That's not coming from our brain, and that is not coming from our body, because it makes no sense in that space. It's coming from our soul.
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::Melissa Amos: Yeah? And then life gets pretty interesting. It's not comfortable. I don't think anyone on the spiritual path says, yeah, it's really comfy here, because that's not it, because our soul…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah, I, I love when… when people are, like.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: They're new into the idea of the spiritual awakening, and they're like, oh, it's gonna all be rainbows and unicorns, and you're like, yeah, good luck with that, honey.
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::Melissa Amos: Yep, I'll see you when it… when the rainbow, you know, to get the rainbows, you need the storm, right? Right. And… and that's the thing.
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::Melissa Amos: Exactly, and it comes to acceptance, because being in the storm is not that we're broken, it's that we're dismantling some of the programmings that our body and our brain and our psyche and our identity has clung onto for so long. Nothing's broken.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Beautiful.
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::Melissa Amos: Of course it is!
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: There's lightning and thunder and big raindrops and darkness, but there's gonna be sunshine on the other side, and you're gonna be clean, and it's…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It's an experience, and it's an experience you get to have that's going to be different from all the other experiences that you've had to get to this point. And it's not just like a one-and-done. You'll get to go through another storm.
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::Melissa Amos: You will, and you'll have learned, well, this time I'm gonna bring my rain jacket.
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::Melissa Amos: try and pretend that, you know, I'm in the… I'm in, you know, it's sunny. I live in the UK, so it's often raining. But it… again, it comes back to resistance. If I'm belt and braces, know the storm's coming, you know.
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::Melissa Amos: you can be terrified and still be prepared, but again, it comes back into acceptance. It's like, this is what's happening right now, and tomorrow will be another day.
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::Melissa Amos: And what can I learn from this? And what can I know from this? And how can I find the beauty in this? Like you said, you'll see the… the lightning. It's incredible to watch a lightning storm. It's… if you've ever been out in a beautiful thunderstorm, and you've just, like, embraced it, and just let it come, and, like.
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::Melissa Amos: Clean your body, it's, like, it's so energizing and refreshing.
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::Melissa Amos: And it's the same for a metaphorical storm. If we can just be in it and go, oh my, like, like, surrender to it, this is where I am, I know it's making me stronger.
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::Melissa Amos: I know this is fertilizing my plants and, you know, making the roots of my… my acorn, which is now a little sapling, grow, right?
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::Melissa Amos: this is all what's happening, and I think we've been led to believe that either life should be really easy, and if it isn't, then we're on the wrong path and whatever, or that we're broken, and none of that is true.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Nothing bad should ever happen to us. Well… Life doesn't work that way.
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::Melissa Amos: Right, and if you…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It's gonna happen, and good stuff is gonna happen.
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::Melissa Amos: And whether it's good or bad.
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::Melissa Amos: It's, again, you know, there's… there's some very famous parables around that, and really, it comes down to it is.
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::Melissa Amos: And, you know, and it's easy to say, and it can sound really privileged, and all of this stuff.
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::Melissa Amos: And, you know, everyone here and everyone that's listening has survived every day of their life. They've survived everything that's bad, and probably, quite likely.
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::Melissa Amos: Maybe not for everything, but you can look back to some of the hardest things that you've been through, and you can look back now and go, wow, look what it taught me. If I hadn't been through that then, I wouldn't be here now.
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::Melissa Amos: but as foresight, and be like, well, I'm going through this now, and if there was a lesson, if there was something, if I was being strengthened for something, what is that?
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::Melissa Amos: And we start to get curious on there. We come away from that resistance, which is just adding more overlays, which is adding guilt, frustration, anger, like, all these things that no one wants to feel.
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::Melissa Amos: Yeah, we can be scared. Yeah, we can be vulnerable. Yeah, we can be, you know, frightened about what it is that's coming, but the moment we stop resisting it…
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::Melissa Amos: and we just look at it and be in it for what it is, then we can start to take action and make decisions that are more empowering. Because when we're in fear, like, when we're in anger, when we're in frustration, when we're sitting in those overlays.
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::Melissa Amos: we're not making good choices, usually. We're digging ourselves deeper. And so this comes back into empowerment.
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::Melissa Amos: I am a soul. I am living a human experience. The human experience was never meant to be easy, and my path is one of evolution. My path is one of growth.
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::Melissa Amos: Can I embrace that? And if so, how? And then what does that mean? I promise you, you start doing this, just life just starts to flip. This… this is what we're teaching in Akashic Reiki, and I see it with my students, that they're like.
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::Melissa Amos: I'm just letting myself do the thing that I didn't let myself do before, because I was in such resistance.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And the magic doesn't just impact one person. Anytime you flip that light switch on, everybody gets impacted.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And the people that are meant to find you can find you, which is… Such a beautiful thing.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: At the beginning, we talked about that moment when a healer senses the old model isn't working anymore. From your perspective, what is the shift that really
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: what is the shift that really calling to them… calling them into, and how can that begin? How can they begin answering it? That's a really weird question, and I'm reading… hmm…
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::Melissa Amos: Again.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Let me, let me… Do you understand the question, or shall I… shall I try one more time with.
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::Melissa Amos: Try one more time.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: We're all about reality TV here.
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::Melissa Amos: I'll just answer something else, maybe.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Okay, so at the beginning, we talked about that moment when a healer senses the old model isn't working anymore.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Full stop. From your perspective, what is that shift really calling them into, and how can they begin answering it?
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::Melissa Amos: There we go. Really, this is everything we've been speaking about. It's calling us into our evolution. It's calling us into, well, hold on a minute.
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::Melissa Amos: Am I… is this not working because everything's broken? No. It's understanding everything's an invitation. Everything is an invitation. And what's my role?
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::Melissa Amos: who am I here? For me, the answer to that question was creating Akashic Reiki. And I tell you this, I went through the… I was scared on who was gonna listen, what's gonna do, la la la la la. But we begin to understand, well, this was my path.
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::Melissa Amos: And now I'm being invited to take something… take this further, and take this forward. What's the highest path I can take? That is always the… the question that we ask. We don't have to take the highest path, we can do what we want. But we ask that question, and then we understand, then we take one step, and one step, and one step.
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::Melissa Amos: If we feel like things aren't working, It's a call for change.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: that.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And… All decisions have consequences, and you get to decide which consequences you wish to experience.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Right. It just gives you more options. For me personally, starting this podcast was kind of like that. It was just, like, it is my life mission.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: To do what I'm doing. And it's easy, and it's fun, and I love it, and I get to meet incredible people doing incredible things, like you.
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::Melissa Amos: Yeah.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: But… You're… you're opening the door for people who may be standing there going, hmm…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I've had all these experiences, I've been working on stuff, trying to… to figure it out, and you're the light that's standing there going, well, come on over.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Let's… Let's shine you up a bit, get some of those layers off.
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::Melissa Amos: Right.
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::Melissa Amos: It… it's… Especially if you're a changemaker, a trailblazer.
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::Melissa Amos: No one's walked the path in front of you.
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::Melissa Amos: And that's even more scary.
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::Melissa Amos: And we're not even talking about, you know, the law of equal and opposites, and resistance, and all of these things, which are all very real.
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::Melissa Amos: But… I don't know about your story, but for me, it very much was, choose your heart.
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::Melissa Amos: You know, like, I could have done this, or I could have gone and worked for somebody else, and felt miserable, and done all those things, and I… and I… I chose my heart. And this one is a lot more fulfilling.
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::Melissa Amos: and energizing. And, you know, I'm a completely different person to who I was before I took that leap. Like, in all the good ways.
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::Melissa Amos: Because I… I'm more aligned with who I am, I'm more energized, I'm more empowered, I'm… I'm more compassionate, I'm more understanding, and I feel every day that I wake up with a purpose. And that's, I think, the biggest gift that you can give yourself.
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::Melissa Amos: Knowing that you are here for a reason, and that there's actions that you take, and those actions are going to have far rippling effects, and so what actions are you… are you choosing?
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I love that. People can learn more about what you're doing, and connect with you and find your book and your school over on Substack?
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::Melissa Amos: Yes, I am over on Substack. I would, love to have you over there.
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::Melissa Amos: Yeah, and learn a bit more about what it means to be a mystic in training.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So you can find her… Melissa at themelissaamos.substack.com.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And we'll make sure we put that in the show notes.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Thank you so much for joining me, Melissa. This has been a great conversation.
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::Melissa Amos: A pleasure. Thank you, Jill.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: You can learn more about Melissa and…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Become a mystic in training yourself.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: By visiting her substack, themelissaamos.substack.com, and please consider subscribing to her publication.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: We'll help support her, and help support
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Others who might be interested in… Pursuing this path as well.
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