How to Stay Sober Without “White-Knuckling” It (Art + Nervous System Healing)
What if the missing piece in recovery isn’t more willpower… but a calmer nervous system?
In this episode, Jill Hart (The Coach’s Alchemist) sits down with artist and published author Jackie Grawe, who’s redefining what sobriety support can look like through an integrative approach that blends art, journaling, nutrition, faith, and neuroscience-based daily systems.
Jackie shares how she used a simple sketchbook practice to stay grounded early in sobriety—especially when anxiety, overstimulation, and emotional overwhelm made it hard to even sit through a meeting. We talk about why creativity is more than self-expression… it’s an anchor, a stabilizer, and a way to reconnect with who you really are.
You’ll also hear a powerful conversation about empaths and creatives, why scrolling can quietly spike anxiety, and how learning to adapt (instead of forcing yourself into a box) can lead you back to your most aligned path.
In this episode, we cover:
- Why “white-knuckle sobriety” often backfires
- How pen-to-paper creativity can calm the nervous system
- Empaths, emotional overload, and why boundaries can feel complicated
- The hidden cost of constant exposure to fear-based content
- “Spiritual breadcrumbs” and how to follow your next right step
- Why adapting isn’t failing—it’s responding to new data with wisdom
Find Jackie:
- YouTube: https://youtube.com/@JackieGrawe
- Substack: grawe.substack.com
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Transcript
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Today's conversation is exploring a journey many entrepreneurs find themselves on. We're… one where we're going to explore being adaptive… adaptive, rather than just, like.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Being forced into the corner we're not real comfortable with being in.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So, on that note, hi, and welcome to the You World Order Showcase Podcast, where we feature life, health, transformational coaches and spiritual entrepreneurs stepping up to be the change they seek in the world. I'm your host, Jill Hart, the Coach's Alchemist, on a mission to help coaches and entrepreneurs amplify their voice, monetize their mission, and get visible.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Today, we are chatting with Jackie Gra.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Jackie is an artist in recovery and a published author who's redefining what sobriety support can look like through a deep, integrative approach that weaves together art, journaling, nutrition, faith, and neuroscience-based daily systems.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: She helps people move beyond survival mode and into sustainable, embodied recovery. Her work focuses on calming the nervous system, addressing underlying trauma, and creating a new rhythm of life where sobriety is supported and not strained. Welcome to the show, Jackie. I'm really excited to chat with you today.
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::Jackie: Thank you, Jill. If I can just give a shout out to you, you seem to be everywhere on YouTube, in school, in Substack, and I've never met a more supportive fellow entrepreneur, so I just wanted to shout you out first.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Well, thank you. I'm really honored that you say that. It's been…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It's really been an adventure getting to know you and watching your journey unfold. And we're going to share with the listeners here in just a minute how
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: how you're… Your journey has,
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: developed, and how you've moved from a space where you were feeling trapped and not really good about what you were offering, to a space that's…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: just embraces all of who you are, and it allows you to share your zone of genius with the world. And I love what you're doing, so… What's the most significant thing, in your opinion, as individuals, we can do to make an impact on how the world is going?
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::Jackie: So, find what you're good at, and share it as best as possible with people who are starved for creativity.
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::Jackie: And for calm.
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::Jackie: And, you know, on my substack, I'm kind of writing periodically, because, as you mentioned, I am kind of redirecting my focus.
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::Jackie: But first and foremost, I don't think we can make really great art if our nervous system is out of whack.
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::Jackie: And when I first got sober 21 years ago, it took everything I had just to be able to sit in a meeting.
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::Jackie: Long enough to hear the message of recovery.
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::Jackie: And the thing that I used as a tool, and this is…
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::Jackie: Someone can use this starting tomorrow.
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::Jackie: is I grabbed a sketchbook.
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::Jackie: I grabbed some ink pens, and I would sit in meetings, and I just began to draw.
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::Jackie: And I've always been a little bit self-conscious of that, because I didn't want people to think I was tuning them out. It actually helped me listen better.
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::Jackie: because I didn't have to make
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::Jackie: eye contact, or think, oh my gosh, I'm speaking to a group of 30 people. It was… I had my head down, and I was engaged, and I had no idea what happens in the brain when we actually put pen to paper.
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::Jackie: That it taps into the part of the brain that calms you down and taps you into greater creativity and calmness.
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::Jackie: And so, it became my new healthy addiction. I started drawing every day, which led to More refined art.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And your art is so beautiful. I noticed when we first connected over here on Zoom to do this interview, that I think you were drawing.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I think I saw the top of your pen moving. It just reminds me that you use it as an anchor.
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::Jackie: Yes.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: To tie you into the situation, instead of letting your brain just, like.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Go off on its own adventure, and make up things that…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: horrify you, and it's just… it's not…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It's not a commentary on who you are, it's just some people's brains work differently than other people's brains, which makes…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Recovery different for everybody.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Like, I haven't had alcohol in over 3 years, and it wasn't a struggle for me, But I'm…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Just because it wasn't a struggle for me doesn't mean that it's not a struggle for others.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And… You know, some people are just like.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: They… they really can't say no unless they have something else to… to do…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: to distract their brain. It's like your brain just gets in the way, and it gets stuck in this loop, and…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah, which is.
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::Jackie: See ya.
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::Jackie: Yeah, absolutely. That's a… that's a good observation on your part, and for creatives, I think what our…
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::Jackie: I don't want to call it a problem, but maybe it's another gift that we have to learn to work with, is…
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::Jackie: Most creatives are… what I've noticed is they're very, empathetic.
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::Jackie: Oh, sorry, I need to plug in my laptop, it's…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Very good.
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::Jackie: So, sorry.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Listening to somebody talk about, empaths, and…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: When they're… they're told… we're told not to be people pleasers, but empaths… Can't help it sometimes, because
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Even though you may have your boundaries and all these things that you think you're going to be doing and saying, the moment you say no.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: You're feeling!
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: The disappointment that other person's feeling.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I was like… So then you end up saying yes.
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::Jackie: Okay. Because I… So sorry, I need to move. I'm gonna shift over to my couch.
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::Jackie: This is just kinda…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: You're good.
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::Jackie: Dealing with issues that happen on the fly.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It's what happens in life.
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::Jackie: Sure does.
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::Jackie: There we go.
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::Jackie: Thank you, thank you for that, but yeah, please continue. I want to hear your insight on that.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah, I was just talking about the…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: when you're a creative that… and an empath, that empaths have this other layer of stuff in their brains. It's like, yeah, you can say no, but you're feeling all the feels that that other person is experiencing, and so you… you'll end up just, like.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: saying yes, even though you really don't want to say yes. It's how you end up in the people-pleasing mode, is because you just don't want to feel those feelings that this other person is experiencing.
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::Jackie: Because you feel like it's your fault!
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::Jackie: Yeah, well, the other thing, too, about MPASS, and I have a quick little story to share here.
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::Jackie: is I… I remember, you know, because I support myself, so a lot of times I'll end up waiting tables, and
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::Jackie: No disrespect to people who do that, but it drains the life out of me, because we're bombarded with so many different people's emotional states.
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::Jackie: And we're there to make them happy. But I walked into a restaurant one night, and I said, oh my gosh, what's… what's going on? What's happening?
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::Jackie: And this guy was like, nothing, why? And I found out later that at that moment, one of the managers was being fired, and they had to escort him out of the building.
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::Jackie: And I… I felt it. Even though I wasn't involved in it or anything, it's, you know, we can… we can read a room's emotions, and that can be very draining for a creative.
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::Jackie: Or an empath, and it's like, how do you block off
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::Jackie: This constant bombardment of so many different people's emotions coming at you.
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::Jackie: And that's another barrier that I have with, with art, or not barrier, but it's… it's this protective
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::Jackie: thing. It kind of encompasses me, and it makes me feel safe and calm. And, you know, the other thing that I write about a lot on Substack
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::Jackie: And some people can view it as a negative, but it's this underlying
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::Jackie: Thread of people who are in recovery are trying to numb themselves from unhealed wounds.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And so, I thought, okay, I'll get clean and sober, and life will be happy, joyous, and free.
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::Jackie: And what about the people who don't feel happy, joyous, and free, but they have this raw…
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::Jackie: emotional state, and so I looked deeper into trauma.
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::Jackie: And a lot of people are walking wounded, they're pretending everything's okay.
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::Jackie: You know, they've handled this big, huge mountain of a problem by getting off of drugs and alcohol, but now they just have these wounds.
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::Jackie: And that's why I did want to do
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::Jackie: Art and recovery, but now.
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::Jackie: as I'm aligning myself more with my gifts, which is art, recovery is so personal.
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::Jackie: And you'll have people like you with your story and your journey, and you don't understand that kind of white-knuckled, if I don't drink, I'm gonna die feeling.
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::Jackie: So, how can I speak to you, and how can I speak to the guy who's under the bridge, who's lost everything, with the same message? I can't.
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::Jackie: I can't. And so, I was like, okay, that's…
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::Jackie: Something that people have to discover on their own.
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::Jackie: But what's universal is the art.
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::Jackie: And I know that may not seem like, okay, that's the primary purpose once I've…
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::Jackie: gotten clean and sober, but my goodness, it is an anchor.
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::Jackie: It's… it's grounding, it's real, it's pen to paper,
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::Jackie: And, you know, my daughter sent me something on Instagram a few weeks ago that really hit my heart. It was…
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::Jackie: Fascinating. They did an experiment with people who were put in solitary confinement.
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::Jackie: And most of the guys were like, I gotta get out of here, help me, I'm… I'm going crazy. And one guy who actually finished the entire experiment, the way he stayed
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::Jackie: normalized.
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::Jackie: I don't know if that's the word, but he…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It drives people insane to go be put in solitary confinement.
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::Jackie: Absolutely, and the way he stayed sane is he
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::Jackie: would speak out loud. I'm standing up. I'm bending over. I have my arm up. I have my left arm down. And he just kept speaking through it. And sometimes when we say things out loud, and we speak to the reality of what's going on around us.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It can anchor us, and it can…
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::Jackie: stabilize us.
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::Jackie: And so I think that might be what is so calming to me about art, is if, you know, it doesn't matter what crisis is going on in my head.
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::Jackie: I'm putting pen to paper, and typically I don't talk when I'm drawing. I'm not like, I have the pen, it's in my… I don't do that.
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::Jackie: But there's something very… Very peaceful and calming about the tactile practice of putting pen or paintbrush
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::Jackie: to Canvas and creating. That's… that's who we're supposed to be. We're… we're all creatives.
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::Jackie: On one level or the other.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Something that I… I discovered as being part of your community over on school, was that… I'm… I'm not…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: A person who… Who sees things in a way that can translate into an image being…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Maybe even identifiable, but…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Which is kind of the first step in… in being able to draw or sketch realistically. But,
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It… it occurs to me that you approach art like some people, coaches out there, approach journaling.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It's the process, and you can't really journal on a computer. It's the process of using a pen and moving it across the page, and it creates…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And… an image. It's a word, but a word is an image. Just… In abstract form.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: But that's all that… Drawing is, also, it's… It's learning to…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: to write in a different language. And it requires something of your brain that is different than speaking or
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: or just thinking about things. It's… it's putting…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Putting the energy into creating something real.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Even if it's two-dimensional, you're bringing it into this realm.
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::Jackie: Yeah, absolutely. And, I mean, the first discovered artwork was, I think, 6000 BC.
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::Jackie: in the caves of… somewhere in… I want to say France, I don't know why that's popping in my head.
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::Jackie: But, you know, when man was…
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::Jackie: Just about surviving, just about hunting and getting food to keep his family or his tribe alive.
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::Jackie: He was taking materials and putting them on the walls around him.
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::Jackie: And I think the more digital we become, especially kids.
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::Jackie: They feel less and less disconnected from who they really are.
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::Jackie: And…
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::Jackie: There's a beautiful thing that happens when someone picks up any type of art material and puts it on a piece of paper.
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::Jackie: So, as… Schools, you know, as they crunch their budgets, and they… they cut out the arts.
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::Jackie: And they're focused more on, you know, sports or sciences, and then these kids, after a long day.
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::Jackie: All they have in their hand is a phone.
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::Jackie: That's tragic to me.
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::Jackie: You know, how… how can you look inward? How can you realize who you are creatively?
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::Jackie: If you have this digital… rectangle darkness showing you all of the… the tragedies in the world. That's…
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::Jackie: They're… they're even saying now that, some kids…
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::Jackie: The part of the brain that understands empathy and compassion is not actually developing properly.
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::Jackie: their whole focus is that… that phone, and that's why I'm like, okay, what can I do to make the world better?
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::Jackie: it goes so much deeper than, here, here, learn how to draw, I'm gonna teach you the techniques. No, I'm gonna teach you how to connect with who you really are.
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::Jackie: And that you're an empathetic, Creative, beautiful, unique soul who's never walked this planet before.
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::Jackie: Let's see what comes out once you do learn the skills.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I love that, and you're teaching people these skills on YouTube?
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: In the.
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::Jackie: Oh, yeah.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: that you're going to be making, and this is… this is kind of, for our listeners, it's a shift in direction for Jackie. She's… she found herself in a position where she was
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: thinking she was gonna go in one direction, but, realized that it really wasn't aligned with… with her… her values and… and the way that she wanted to contribute to the world. So, I… I really… my hat's off to you, Jackie, for…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: For the honesty you're showing to yourself.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And for stepping out and just… Embracing your gifts.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: To share with the world, and she is so gifted when it comes to creating
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: pieces of art. And they're not…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: she's not, like, super far ahead of all of us, though some of her work is spectacular. She's still connected enough to those of us at the very beginning stages of our art journeys that… that you don't feel overwhelmed.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: She'll give you, like, exercises.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And… And then, you could do the exercise or not, and…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: But you feel like you've accomplished something.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And… and it… every time you do something like that, it moves you a little closer to a connection with
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Something deep inside of you.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And it… It feels good. You can't draw and just not feel good afterwards.
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::Jackie: Right, right on. Well, your gift is definitely encouragement and helping people dig deeper into what they truly want to do, and I needed that.
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::Jackie: I needed that, because I did feel pressured to just kind of pick something, and I was like, okay, well…
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::Jackie: what's the most important thing to me? Being sober. I'll… I'll do that.
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::Jackie: And then I was like, wait a minute, that… that doesn't align, you know? As I said, it's a very personal journey.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And it's different for everyone.
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::Jackie: So, and that's… that's on me, you know? Being someone who's a little bit ADHD,
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::Jackie: And, you know, seeking and looking at how can I help this world be just a little bit brighter?
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::Jackie: I keep pushing the art to the side, and I'm like, well, I'll write, I'll do videos. Well, I'll… I'll help people get sober, or realize the value of being sober, and it's like…
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::Jackie: No, I just need to focus on my craft.
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::Jackie: And if there's people out there who want to learn and are willing to learn slowly.
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::Jackie: I definitely want to stress that, because you can't learn this level of craftsmanship In 30 days or less.
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::Jackie: as much as people love to market, it's like, no, I'm willing to take the beginner student
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::Jackie: whatever skill level they have, and I'll teach them how to grow it.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And it's not… it's… art is such a personal process.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Both of my parents are artists. My mom was an art history major.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And… So I've always been exposed to really beautiful artwork, and the stories that are behind the pieces.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Which is… Almost more important to me than the actual piece itself.
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::Jackie: Yes. And…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: That is what I feel in your community, and the direction that you're going in. You're helping draw out
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Who… who you are as a human being, and as you're creating
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It's almost magic, the… the piece, and, you know.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: people do all kinds of art. It's… you could draw with pen and paper, you can draw with crayons, you can draw with pastels. And there's… there's some meditation. You did a video about, separating your pastels, which was a meditation to me.
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::Jackie: Mmm.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: But it's totally a meditation of color separation.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And, the progress to completing something and cleaning something up, I ended with that feeling like you just cleaned your whole house, and you sit down, and you go.
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::Jackie: That's… that's what that…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: short… pastel cleanup did for me. So, I just, like, there's…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: it's… there's a dance to it. It's not just like, come here and learn how to draw.
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::Jackie: Right.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It's much more than that. It's…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Jackie's community and go on an adventure.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Right. Discover what's hiding inside of you.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: To share with the world.
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::Jackie: The other thing about the pastel cleanup is…
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::Jackie: You know, sometimes you don't know what direction to go, and my… if… if people can…
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::Jackie: hold on to one thing that I say in this, conversation. It's just keep going.
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::Jackie: No matter what, just keep going. I call it spiritual breadcrumbs.
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::Jackie: And,
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::Jackie: as much as I'm more of kind of a traditionalist Catholic, I love the Bible, I love all of that, and theology fascinates me.
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::Jackie: The second you mentioned art history, I felt, like, alive. And I'm like, oh, I can talk about that all day.
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::Jackie: And those are spiritual breadcrumbs that, if you give up, or if you stop on the path that you're on, you're not gonna get those nuggets of insight.
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::Jackie: And that's why I tell people, just keep going. So on that day, it was a Saturday, it was sunny, it was warm, I felt guilty for not being outside, and I was like, okay, what can I do?
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::Jackie: And I was like, oh, my pastels, I gotta get them straight.
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::Jackie: And I was like, well, I can film it.
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::Jackie: I'll film it. Maybe someone will like it, and people really seem to like that one.
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::Jackie: I have to keep my ego… my second rule for people is keep your ego out of it.
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::Jackie: So, since this is a brand new channel for me, the views are, you know, some of them are low, some of them are… yeah, and some seem to hit home with people. And it's like, I don't know…
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::Jackie: who I'm inspiring, or encouraging, or uplifting with the work that I do.
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::Jackie: And that's really not my territory. My message is just keep going.
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::Jackie: Find what makes you feel alive.
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::Jackie: And if one person had, like, a better day because they saw how I clean up and rearrange my pastels and the reverence.
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::Jackie: I take a reverence to everything I do.
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::Jackie: then… Then it was actually a success.
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::Jackie: You know, so… that's the thing, just keep going, follow the spiritual breadcrumbs, the path will unfold before you.
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::Jackie: you just… you just can't stop.
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::Jackie: Stopping is when… when that momentum tends to slow down.
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::Jackie: And we don't want that. We want momentum.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: We want momentum, we want to have the flexibility to shift.
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::Jackie: Is it not?
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: it doesn't mean that… it doesn't mean anything. It's just the experience, and… and you…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: As you grow, and this is all a growth process.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Where we're helping the world to grow.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Together, in a direction that
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: more and more of us would like to see it go in, rather than the direction that we keep getting blasted with, where it's like, you have no control. You have to, like, be afraid, and…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: This, this, the opening up of the allowing.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Allowing things to come forth.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And just letting them be an experience without having to attach meaning to them.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It just… it… it's moving the world in such a better direction.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: To me.
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::Jackie: I love that. I love that. And you know what? That just triggered a thought, too.
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::Jackie: I have been watching this professor out of China, and he is…
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::Jackie: so articulate. I think he's a genius.
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::Jackie: And I found him right after I unfollowed over 100 accounts on Instagram.
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::Jackie: Because I noticed that if I didn't know what to do, I started scrolling, and energetically, I could feel myself going down, and I could feel this anxiety, and I'm like, well, what's happening? What did I eat today?
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::Jackie: like, where did this come from? And then I was like, okay, When there's a void.
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::Jackie: nature abhors a void. It's a… it doesn't like a vacuum, so you have to fill it with something else.
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::Jackie: And… that exact same day, I found this professor, and he speaks to it, that the collective
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::Jackie: Energy and anxiety of a group of people will feed those who are filthy rich.
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::Jackie: And who profit off of our anxiety.
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::Jackie: And I said, oh, for the love of St. Pete,
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::Jackie: That's my answer, you know? So, trying to get people to unplug from the machine.
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::Jackie: Where they feed off, just like putting gasoline in a car, they feed off of our collective anxiety.
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::Jackie: But I will warn people, it's not like you're gonna jump up and down the next day and feel invigorated. There's been a little bit of a withdrawal.
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::Jackie: You know, I'm like, oh my gosh, how much have I been watching this crap and thinking…
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::Jackie: It, you know, it was just…
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::Jackie: You know, somehow important for me to know all of this stuff.
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::Jackie: I… I saw a neuroscientist who spoke about this on Instagram, the amount of
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::Jackie: Oh, I hope that doesn't… if you need to knock that out, that's fine. I don't want you to get dinged when I mention a platform. I'll just say.
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::Jackie: Certain social medias This neuroscientist spoke and said the amount of the acts of violence and anger and agitation
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::Jackie: The human mind is… was never meant to see.
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::Jackie: It's so bad for our mental health.
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::Jackie: And I'm 56, so I'm wondering what the average 12-year-old experiences on an emotional level.
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::Jackie: Like, oh, Lord, these poor kids, and they think this is reality. It's not.
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::Jackie: It's algorithms, and…
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::Jackie: It's manipulation of our emotions so that we buy whatever the product is that pops up next.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And it's… It's manipulation by design.
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::Jackie: Exactly. They know what they're doing. And the more people that wake up to their own innate ability.
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::Jackie: to love one another, find their creative outlet, whether they're good or not, and I think that was my number two rule. Keep your ego out of it.
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::Jackie: That matters so little. It's the creative process that actually taps into your self-worth, because at the end of the day, and I'm in the middle of editing a year-end video of all the work I did this year.
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::Jackie: Because I was like, okay, now I'm shifting directions again. Oh, no, I lost my momentum… my momentum, and I'm like, no, I didn't. I produced a lot of work this year.
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::Jackie: So, sometimes I need to see the tactile work in order to show that I was very productive, and that a redirection is never, like, a punishment or a fail. It just means you're going… now you're going down the right road.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: You're adapting.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And that's… Yes.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Adapting to data.
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::Jackie: Yes.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It's just, like…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: we don't… we don't have to get on a path and stay on that path forever. We have options and choices, and…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: New things will present themselves, and so we can make different decisions, and that's the beauty of life, is we get to have all of these experiences, and
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: they don't have to mean anything. They can just be experiences, and we can choose to enjoy them.
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::Jackie: Yes. Yeah, what, what's his name? Ralph Waldo Emerson.
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::Jackie: He spoke to that because someone questioned him where he shifted on a topic.
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::Jackie: And he said, I'm allowed to change with new information.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: You know, an intelligent man will shift, or an intelligent woman.
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::Jackie: will shift according to new data and new information, and that's… that's all I've done.
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::Jackie: is I'm like, oh, okay, that's not where I want to go.
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::Jackie: But I was forced, and it… there was a… there was a big investment, and I was…
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::Jackie: This whole thing about hurry, hurry, hurry?
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::Jackie: That's…
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::Jackie: That's a modern thing, and I think that's why I want to emphasize my new community within school is going to be a slower approach to learning a craft, because there is no hurry.
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::Jackie: And actually making great things takes a lot of time.
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::Jackie: And focus, and dedication.
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::Jackie: And if people have that, and they want to invest in learning something and getting better at it.
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::Jackie: Then I'm like, okay, I'm here, I'll help you, I'll teach you everything I've learned over 20 years.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And we can find you through Substack and YouTube for now.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And we will… as your new community is developed and comes online, people will be able to find that community through your Substack account and also through your YouTube. And you can find Jackie on YouTube at
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: youtube.com forward slash at Jackie Graw, G-R-A-W-E, and you can find her on Substack at Gra, G-R-A-W-E dot substack.com.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Thank you so much for joining me today, Jackie. This has been an amazing conversation.
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::Jackie: Thank you, Jill, this has been great, I appreciate you.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I appreciate you too, and seriously, people, you'll love her videos. They are so…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: so encouraging, and just really inspiring. So, visit her at youtube.com forward slash at Jackie Raw.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And thanks for tuning in today to the You World Order Showcase Podcast. If you're ready to amplify your voice, monetize your mission, and start attracting premium clients, your next step is simple. Head to the Coach's Alchemist and schedule your free client acquisition audit. Be sure to join us for our next episode as we share what others are doing to raise the global frequency. And remember, change begins with you. You have all the power to change the world. Start today and get visible.
